- This is a point of inflection
- Nobody knows about anyone else's research council - this says something in itself
- (slides available after)
- There is a big case for fundamental science
- Complex situation
- Fundamental science, prioritization, targeted science are not linear, more like a Mobius strip
- How to describe to the lay public what esoteric fundamental science does to improve their lives - this is key
- This report focussed on fundamental science -there needs to be the same analysis of the other end - partnership programs - are we getting the best bang for our buck
- HERD (higher education expenditures on R&D) not as high as it looks, because it includes year round salaries and other items that other countries don't include
- Other countries are improving faster
- Myth in Canada - too many grad students
○ 15 years ago, everyone was worried there was going to be a gap, due to estimated growth
○ 2008 changed growth tragectory, and people are working much later, so less need
○ Only 20% of PhDs work in universities, and serve economy and society in broader ways
- Accomplishments are a source of pride, some ins and outs
○ Not a lot of industry
Intramural is the research that goes on in gov, extramural is outside of gov
Intramural wants more support
Need to partner more, get rid of the wall between
- Very siloed, very specific. Need to stop talking about programs, and more about partnerships
- Quebec has a powerful example of a unified structure that has particularities
- There are examples internationally of different funding agencies collaborating, sometimes in 24 hours
- Agencies need to coordinate to cover the disconnect that exists e.g. one pays for equipment, one pays for research
- Need better coordination between agencies, provincial, federal
- There is an expectation that this needs to be cleaned up before there is more investment
Suggested a NACRI, some like, some don't. Federal gov has not yet landed, a memo going in on May 30th so
It has been 40 years since the last major review in canada, and that one set up NSERC and SSHRC
Early on asked for success rate of early career, mid career, senior researchers and discovered that different councils count it differently.
Comparative figures very difficult to access
Where to get more money?
- Full support research, not 40% is a key piece
- Demographic example - people not leaving at 65, and it is continuing changing
○ These senior researchers draw large portions of the research budget
CFI has no way to predict their funding budget. There seems to be traction with the gov.
Indirect costs (research services) has levelled off. This is why universities constantly move undergrad money over.
UK planning to cap RS at 25%. This is going be to a challenge.
Major facilities like light source, ONC, have a systematically problematic budget - can't get the match. Were born out of a different program that didn't require a match, and are now only being funding at 40% from gov. Not sustainable.
Unofficial - gov has said it can't do it all, asking community to prioritize and spread it to a 6 year plan, rather than over 4 years. Get some better coordination there might be more in the investigator led direct project funding
Calling on the university communities to rally support and help - tell your stories so people get them
- Don't have long to do that - next budget will be fully baked by Nov. Story needs to happen powerfully
The getting there is something we are all going to have to share